Imagine having such a worthless pathetic life that you have to make a living trolling and lying about a public disaster that killed over a hundred people.
Yeah, this is a much more complex issue than Ryan is presenting. The Star Link/ FEMA hassle kind of shows you that (when an issue has to be resolved at cabinet secretary- CEO level, that doesn't speak well for the organization).
As a look at anticipated response, it's not realistic to expect FEMA/ National Guard to be there in the first 24 hours, so you have to rely on local organizations and volunteers.
A lot of the negative reports originated from this early phase and really centered around poor performance of local officers. That was pretty well documented by at least one of the YouTubers on scene.
As to 'trolls' 'bots' and misinfo- well maybe we should revisit Taibbi's Twitter files. Sometimes it's better to call bullshit just that and not ascribe it to anything else.
"You shouldn't politicize a tragedy,' well if the government didn't live up to your expectations you better damn well politicize it, otherwise it won't get fixed.
Volunteers are not causing harm. To make that statement shows an overreliance on media sources and the government. Look at Katrina for an example. I follow you to get good information.
He wasn't saying that volunteers are directly causing harm. He was saying that volunteers that won't coordinate with other organizations (nat'l guard, FEMA, etc...) are doing work and then not telling those orgs that it has been done, causing overlap of work and thus wasting resources, especially time, that could have been used to help others.
Yes, I agree FEMA is a disaster with no leadership. Even a highschool find raiser is better organized. Perhaps they could put up a web site on where to bring supplies for distribution, a web site for donations, or try to coordinate aid? Donations are not theirs to distribute, but if they wanted to direct and focus aid, they could.
James, I hope you read this page. Did you go to the national VOAD site? How does this help? It feels like government misdirection. It says it does not want anything but cash. Basically, go away, don't bug, but send us your money.
Dan, why would you suggest that before you checked the web site. Of course, the world is big and your personal experiences in North Carolina may be different from my sons. You are free with your ad hominem attacks, share some of your knowledge too. Where are volunteers being coordinated? I am sure it has improved in the last couple of weeks.
The web site?....When state governors, city mayors, and aide workers in the field all agree that FEMA has provided the aid they need, and is actively working with them on an ongoing basis.....what web site do you suggest I visit? TASS? If vituperation poured from your celestial font is the content of.....THE WEB SITE...I like all responsible Americans, get enough of that from the Trumpskyvites.
What is wrong with you? Read the comments and try to reply to what I said. The comment was volunteers in the initial response were causing problems. My comments proceed from that. Blaming and shaming Americas that help there neighbors is not positive. Then claiming FEMA had a site to coordinate their work was incorrect. They just want cash. If you want to rant about the election let us start a new thread. If you want to hammer Americans that dig out and helped their neighbors, let me hear it.
Sorry Ryan, I disagree. "we" didn't do this. Trump and his right wing propaganda trolls are doing this.
They're exploiting the disaster and the human misery to score cheap political points. They think if the make Biden/Harris look bad and they sow distrust in the government, it makes chances better for Trump to get elected.
You have to be the most depraved and vile person on Earth to purposely tell lies and spread disinformation that's putting people's lives and safety in jeopardy for some political stunt. There is no bottom for these scumbags. The bar can always go lower.
As with any emergency, keeping the uncoordinated helpers from getting in the way is half the battle. I can’t imagine how people from out of state taking up vital hotel rooms would help. S2 Underground had a great rant about HAM radio operators getting up in arms about unlicensed people using their frequencies for emergency use, which is allowed under federal rules.
This thing has shown me how badly we need a LOCAL emergency radio communication system. All the county government info, like where and when to get MREs, has been over Facebook. We had cell service for about 15 minutes a day and could barely even load Facebook. We had FM radios and even HAM radios, but there was no info except on NOAA radio for weather.
I know the DoD or whoever have AM radio access for NATIONAL emergencies, but AM radio sucks and it's barely even supported by most radios. And we didn't need national information, we needed local information.
Ryan, long time watcher, first time responder. I’m a big admirer of your “just the facts” approach. I was not aware of a lot of the information that you shared in this video. One question: what about the reports coming from FEMA and the white house saying that they were out of funding? Were those AI generated videos or is there something else going on?
As for FEMA money not being used for migrants, here is a video showing the White House describing the use of FEMA funds for assisting migrants. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have used the money to help people, I’m just saying we can’t claim that it didn’t happen, or that it’s Trump supporters lying.
No FEMA Disaster Relief Funds are used on immigrants.
There is another program authorized by congress but it's not part of the FEMA Disaster Relief Fund. Here is the video explanation at 6 minutes into the video and Mike Johnson admits it is two separate funds, but the rest of Johnson's tap dancing has nothing to do with FEMA disaster funds. He's trying to conflate and confuse things, just like that liar Trump.
So, the assertion in the video is that FEMA disaster relief funding has not been used for dealing with immigration issues. But the secretary is on record saying that FEMA funds are being used to deal with migrants. I don’t know a ton about how those funds are specifically split up inside of FEMA, but unless she lied or misspoke, it’s a false assertion to say that NO FEMA funds were used with migrants. Again, not saying that it’s wrong to do that or that they shouldn’t do that but both FEMA and the White House are record saying that some kind of funds from FEMA were being used to deal with the migrants. That’s not Trumpers, or Fox or right wingers. That’s the actual Biden white house saying that.
Idiot alert. A SEPERATE fund is exactly that. Disaster relief funds are used only for that purpose. End of discussion. I hope the three Boltons before you were brighter.
I would agree that there would normally be room for this to be false reports, but this was literally the press secretary for the white house and an actual FEMA official on camera, speaking into microphones that they were aware were on in front of the press. I don’t think FEMA would ever be out of money, but why were these things said by legitimate sources of information within the Biden Harris administration?
Dan, friend whom I’ve never met, did you watch the videos. Can you please just argue the facts? We’ll all be better off for it, me included. This statement doesn’t help anyone. Also, Ryan’s a smart guy and can figure out where I am I’ve seen him do it before and he tends to expose people who are bad actors.
You are not on the ground there and make your money from the government. There is a lot of sketchy stuff going on that bears investigation not cover up!!!
I was confused about your allegations of "sketchy stuff going on" and elements of the relief effort that necessitate investigation. I was hoping you could expand on that. Thank You.
So It would appear "Dave" [last name??] 'interviewed" "Linda" [last name?] who said aid supplies were being withheld from a local airport in North Carolina in the disaster zone.
"Dave" spoke to the local authorities who stated "Linda" was suspected of stealing aid material from the airport and that all aid currently being received at the local airport was being transported to the local sheriff's department, for better control and distribution.
Really what Charles? I'm not sure how my comment got aligned with your comment above; however, it wasn't you I was responding to, so,.....not really. Best regards.
Ryan - can you comment on the video that some, including YouTuber Wranglerstar, have shown purportedly documenting a Blackhawk helicopter prop washing a volunteer food distribution site? Cody’s great about many things, but doesn’t research this stuff before posting it, but I was wondering what you had heard.
The storm hit on Friday, not Saturday. My mother lost her trailer and spend Thursday night and Friday morning sitting in her car watching the flood push her trailer off its foundations. The main reporting about this happened on Saturday.
Governors, Mayors, aide workers, all have indicated that FEMA has responded quickly, provided all of the aide that they need and continues to be of assistance. Try using real sources rather than some right-wing ding bat for your information.
Imagine having such a worthless pathetic life that you have to make a living trolling and lying about a public disaster that killed over a hundred people.
Yeah, this is a much more complex issue than Ryan is presenting. The Star Link/ FEMA hassle kind of shows you that (when an issue has to be resolved at cabinet secretary- CEO level, that doesn't speak well for the organization).
As a look at anticipated response, it's not realistic to expect FEMA/ National Guard to be there in the first 24 hours, so you have to rely on local organizations and volunteers.
A lot of the negative reports originated from this early phase and really centered around poor performance of local officers. That was pretty well documented by at least one of the YouTubers on scene.
As to 'trolls' 'bots' and misinfo- well maybe we should revisit Taibbi's Twitter files. Sometimes it's better to call bullshit just that and not ascribe it to anything else.
"You shouldn't politicize a tragedy,' well if the government didn't live up to your expectations you better damn well politicize it, otherwise it won't get fixed.
Volunteers are not causing harm. To make that statement shows an overreliance on media sources and the government. Look at Katrina for an example. I follow you to get good information.
He wasn't saying that volunteers are directly causing harm. He was saying that volunteers that won't coordinate with other organizations (nat'l guard, FEMA, etc...) are doing work and then not telling those orgs that it has been done, causing overlap of work and thus wasting resources, especially time, that could have been used to help others.
Yes, I agree FEMA is a disaster with no leadership. Even a highschool find raiser is better organized. Perhaps they could put up a web site on where to bring supplies for distribution, a web site for donations, or try to coordinate aid? Donations are not theirs to distribute, but if they wanted to direct and focus aid, they could.
I know research can be hard, so I decided to help. Start reading here and see if you can find answers to your questions instead of just being mad for no reason. https://www.fema.gov/disaster/current/hurricane-helene
James, I hope you read this page. Did you go to the national VOAD site? How does this help? It feels like government misdirection. It says it does not want anything but cash. Basically, go away, don't bug, but send us your money.
Well MAGA John, your comments are a lie, and you appear to be other than you seem. Perhaps Ryan has his own little russkie disinformation bot in you.
Dan, why would you suggest that before you checked the web site. Of course, the world is big and your personal experiences in North Carolina may be different from my sons. You are free with your ad hominem attacks, share some of your knowledge too. Where are volunteers being coordinated? I am sure it has improved in the last couple of weeks.
The web site?....When state governors, city mayors, and aide workers in the field all agree that FEMA has provided the aid they need, and is actively working with them on an ongoing basis.....what web site do you suggest I visit? TASS? If vituperation poured from your celestial font is the content of.....THE WEB SITE...I like all responsible Americans, get enough of that from the Trumpskyvites.
What is wrong with you? Read the comments and try to reply to what I said. The comment was volunteers in the initial response were causing problems. My comments proceed from that. Blaming and shaming Americas that help there neighbors is not positive. Then claiming FEMA had a site to coordinate their work was incorrect. They just want cash. If you want to rant about the election let us start a new thread. If you want to hammer Americans that dig out and helped their neighbors, let me hear it.
I love his stuff, I subscribe, and I feel free to engage. This is a tense subject. The government is a mess, so watch for crazy stories.
Very good post, Ryan, serious business. Thanks
Ryan: "We did this to ourselves."
Sorry Ryan, I disagree. "we" didn't do this. Trump and his right wing propaganda trolls are doing this.
They're exploiting the disaster and the human misery to score cheap political points. They think if the make Biden/Harris look bad and they sow distrust in the government, it makes chances better for Trump to get elected.
You have to be the most depraved and vile person on Earth to purposely tell lies and spread disinformation that's putting people's lives and safety in jeopardy for some political stunt. There is no bottom for these scumbags. The bar can always go lower.
As with any emergency, keeping the uncoordinated helpers from getting in the way is half the battle. I can’t imagine how people from out of state taking up vital hotel rooms would help. S2 Underground had a great rant about HAM radio operators getting up in arms about unlicensed people using their frequencies for emergency use, which is allowed under federal rules.
This thing has shown me how badly we need a LOCAL emergency radio communication system. All the county government info, like where and when to get MREs, has been over Facebook. We had cell service for about 15 minutes a day and could barely even load Facebook. We had FM radios and even HAM radios, but there was no info except on NOAA radio for weather.
I know the DoD or whoever have AM radio access for NATIONAL emergencies, but AM radio sucks and it's barely even supported by most radios. And we didn't need national information, we needed local information.
A re-establishment of the Civil Defense might also help, TBH.
Ryan, long time watcher, first time responder. I’m a big admirer of your “just the facts” approach. I was not aware of a lot of the information that you shared in this video. One question: what about the reports coming from FEMA and the white house saying that they were out of funding? Were those AI generated videos or is there something else going on?
"the reports coming from FEMA and the white house saying that they were out of funding?"
It was all a Trump lie. He's trying to exploit the tragedy and the misery for his own political benefit.
FEMA has the funding to respond to this disaster. No FEMA funding went to immigrants.
In fact the only FEMA funding that went to immigrants was under Trump in 2019 who stole funding from FEMA to build immigrant detention centers.
https://x.com/realseq16/status/1842988309402013766?s=46&t=emVfkT1UzU-oCJJTZTSzww
As for FEMA money not being used for migrants, here is a video showing the White House describing the use of FEMA funds for assisting migrants. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have used the money to help people, I’m just saying we can’t claim that it didn’t happen, or that it’s Trump supporters lying.
No FEMA Disaster Relief Funds are used on immigrants.
There is another program authorized by congress but it's not part of the FEMA Disaster Relief Fund. Here is the video explanation at 6 minutes into the video and Mike Johnson admits it is two separate funds, but the rest of Johnson's tap dancing has nothing to do with FEMA disaster funds. He's trying to conflate and confuse things, just like that liar Trump.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6362915620112
So, the assertion in the video is that FEMA disaster relief funding has not been used for dealing with immigration issues. But the secretary is on record saying that FEMA funds are being used to deal with migrants. I don’t know a ton about how those funds are specifically split up inside of FEMA, but unless she lied or misspoke, it’s a false assertion to say that NO FEMA funds were used with migrants. Again, not saying that it’s wrong to do that or that they shouldn’t do that but both FEMA and the White House are record saying that some kind of funds from FEMA were being used to deal with the migrants. That’s not Trumpers, or Fox or right wingers. That’s the actual Biden white house saying that.
Idiot alert. A SEPERATE fund is exactly that. Disaster relief funds are used only for that purpose. End of discussion. I hope the three Boltons before you were brighter.
Dan, I’m going to assume you are just having a bad day. I hope it gets better. Best of luck friend!
https://x.com/wesleyhunttx/status/1843335909753626855?s=46&t=emVfkT1UzU-oCJJTZTSzww
I think this summarizes our discussion
I would agree that there would normally be room for this to be false reports, but this was literally the press secretary for the white house and an actual FEMA official on camera, speaking into microphones that they were aware were on in front of the press. I don’t think FEMA would ever be out of money, but why were these things said by legitimate sources of information within the Biden Harris administration?
You speak lies. Ryan can put you on the russkie disinformation list.
Dan, friend whom I’ve never met, did you watch the videos. Can you please just argue the facts? We’ll all be better off for it, me included. This statement doesn’t help anyone. Also, Ryan’s a smart guy and can figure out where I am I’ve seen him do it before and he tends to expose people who are bad actors.
You are not on the ground there and make your money from the government. There is a lot of sketchy stuff going on that bears investigation not cover up!!!
Please continue.
This is the fog of war, to make excuses or assign validity to anything this early is questionable.
I was confused about your allegations of "sketchy stuff going on" and elements of the relief effort that necessitate investigation. I was hoping you could expand on that. Thank You.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZSIppGTLlo
Dave's You Tube channel.
So It would appear "Dave" [last name??] 'interviewed" "Linda" [last name?] who said aid supplies were being withheld from a local airport in North Carolina in the disaster zone.
"Dave" spoke to the local authorities who stated "Linda" was suspected of stealing aid material from the airport and that all aid currently being received at the local airport was being transported to the local sheriff's department, for better control and distribution.
Thanks for the link.
BOT ALERT!
Really?
Really what Charles? I'm not sure how my comment got aligned with your comment above; however, it wasn't you I was responding to, so,.....not really. Best regards.
My apologies ...
Ryan - can you comment on the video that some, including YouTuber Wranglerstar, have shown purportedly documenting a Blackhawk helicopter prop washing a volunteer food distribution site? Cody’s great about many things, but doesn’t research this stuff before posting it, but I was wondering what you had heard.
Sharing with everyone battle. Spot on with this story.
Great episode Ryan boy you really fired up your MAGA followers, and rightly so cuz they're the idiots you're referring to...
OMFG…. The conspiracy theorists have come out full fkn force on this….
The storm hit on Friday, not Saturday. My mother lost her trailer and spend Thursday night and Friday morning sitting in her car watching the flood push her trailer off its foundations. The main reporting about this happened on Saturday.
Not as bad a day as you if your comments are what pass in your mind for truth and logic.
Governors, Mayors, aide workers, all have indicated that FEMA has responded quickly, provided all of the aide that they need and continues to be of assistance. Try using real sources rather than some right-wing ding bat for your information.