It kind of harkens back to WW2 Japan, they released hundreds of balloons loaded with incendiary and H.E. Devices to drift across the ocean to North America, where they hopes to cause forest fires, random damage, and casualties to create a panic.
Many of these devices have yet to be found
Yet lay in the woods of the Pacific Northwest to this day. It was a cheap method of getting back at us, the balloons were made of rice paper. Yet did have the ability to drop sandbags to regulate height.
The Chinese ballon is also a form of attack
To show they to can reach us.... since we are raining on thier plans for the south China sea, and intimidating thier pacific neighbors including, Japan/ Australia/ vietnam/korea/ New Zealand.
Sure, this is all completely true. TikToc can be a threat
Now consider that all the american social media companies have been doing this exact thing for at least 5 years ... pushing ideas that most/many people find deeply troubling
Is the balloon even a spy balloon? What constitutes a "spy" balloon compared to the thousands of weather balloons released worldwide on a daily basis? The average weather balloon is packed with sensors to detect atmospheric conditions already. Was this visually identified as a spy balloon, or did China admit it was a spy balloon? If it was visually identified as a spy balloon then I would like to know how to spot the difference between a spy balloon and a weather balloon. Besides size, since this balloon seems abnormally large, it looks like any other balloon. I saw a Mike Glover video where he made a big humbug about it not being shot down immediately but I just keep thinking there's a good chance it's just some dudes backyard science project.
This balloon aside from being excessively large for a weather balloon has solar panels and a variety of electronics that weather balloons don't normally carry. Many weather experts have chimed in and said as much. No one believes this is someone's backyard science project🤦♂️ Its a good thing the country doesn't rely on you for your opinions of national security lol.
Yes, it is quite large. And yes, is covered in solar panels. My 15 year old pocket calculator is also both of those things but that doesn't mean it's a Chinese spy calculator. I'm certainly not saying it's 100% "just a weather balloon" but just because it doesn't look traditional doesn't mean it isn't. I just want hard evidence that it is a "spy" balloon like every major news outlet is claiming before actually make the claim myself. So far all I've gathered is that for a balloon to be considered a "spy" balloon it just needs to be large and have solar panels. Neither of those things seem like they would aid in "spying," so I'm still a little confused. And you're certainly right about that last bit. But if they did we probably wouldn't be living through "99 Luftballons" right now...
Albeit your NENA reference is good and funny are you convinced yet with a second Ballon now. If we were all just naive and believed each other all the time we wouldn't have wars, militaries, or even dictators for that matter. What matters is the violation of air space and sovereignty. I agree with both shootdowns and collection of data from this. The need for you to have proof is irrelevant to the governments needs. They don't like it don't fly thier "weather balloons" in American air space. Look up near space surveillance as well. This is way more complicated than your brain may be able to handle but keep on listening to 99 Luftballoons as your guiding rod lol. 👍
What second balloon? Are you referring to the reports of multiple balloons of similar design? The origin of the first balloon has yet to be confirmed, we still have no evidence the thing belongs to the Chinese government in the first place, and my original question has yet to be answered, leaving me to believe that not only you, but in fact nobody on the planet, is qualified enough when it comes to balloons to be able to visually identify a "spy" balloon by it's features alone. You continue to be a part of the panicking majority as if it's justification for your overreaction to have other people overreact with you, news flash: it's just a balloon. It doesn't matter what kind of unrealistic sci-fi technology you think is packed in to that balloon the fact of the matter is it can't see through ceilings. It doesn't have any X-ray vision, so how much classified Intel would the thing even be able to collect looking at raingutters from 60,000 feet. Which, by the way, is well above the 16,000 ft class A airspace ceiling. What "airspace" was the balloon in again? Can you even tell me that?
And yet another ufo shot down over great lakes. Good job buddy keep your head in the sand. Informed is very different than panicked. You seem to be projecting
I'm proud to see over the course of a few days you've successfully come to terms with the truth of the matter: at least one UFO has been shot down by the U.S. government. Not a spy balloon, a UFO. It's rare you get to see people grow on an emotional level like that on the internet. Since you are unable to answer my original question, however, I think we'll all just have to agree that wasting millions of dollars of tax payers hard earned money to instigate China and ruin science is just the dumbest thing we could have done. Like our country wasn't in deep enough financial debt with China in the first place, right? Now let's break their fancy balloon because some yokels think it has X-ray vision cameras that will see all the classified stuff we have sitting on our front lawns and in our rain gutters. Did you vote to blow up the Google spy car as it came through your town too? Or is that Intel just not as valuable? You can't identify a spy balloon, you can't determine what airspace the supposed spy balloon was in, and you can't tell me what potential Intel the supposed spy balloon could have even gathered...it doesn't sound like you have anything useful to add to the discussion at all, unfortunately. Almost like you're just here...projecting? Huh.
I would think before shooting it down DOD would confirm that the balloon is performing SIGINT, COMINT, whatever other int, surely what type of RF an object is receiving can be observed by a third party and an assessment made regarding data, etc. Is my best guess, obviously I am not privy to that information
Years ago I said Tik Tok was owned by a puppet company of the CCP and not to he trusted....I got laughed at. I will never use it and I still try to convince friends not to use it.
This is why I actually got off of tiktok I realized after years I had been introduced to so many varying and seemingly random ideas but tiktok was originally a Chinese news app the state ran and the algorithm was so good they put it in tiktok.
If you don't make much money on the videos why not just post links to the demonetized versions here? I'd still enjoy watching them and you can sell your merch.
When you talk about 'nudging', I am certain most people don't realise just how serious that can be. Malcolm Gladwell wrote in one of his books about multiple small factors pushing people in a particular direction and that is apparently also what the Vietcong did to some prisoners they caught during the Vietnam war, drip-drip. Malcolm Gladwell said something like (my books are in storage so I can't double check for accuracy), "Of course, we're not talking about triggering someone to go and rob a bank". Well, I don't know if you've heard of the UK hypnotist / mentalist Derren Brown or not, but that's exactly what he did: He took a crowd of people who had been checked for honesty, and gradually whittled them down to four people, all the while gradually installing a whole load of triggers and associations in them and giving them tests. One of these was a replication of the Stanley Milgram electric shock experiment where people were tested for conformity with authority, and guess what - he got exactly the same results. Finally, he got his chosen four to each, one at a time, go through a part of the city of London near Bank and that had been closed off, unaware of what he was intending to do, he then got a whole load of triggers fired off and it triggered three of the four people to rob a security van with a plastic gun that 'happened' to be on them. The episode is called 'Heist'. Really sobering stuff. The full episode is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDtMMsFoHuY&t=676s and the Stanley Milgram experiment starts at 20:30. So, yes, nudging is indeed critical and an underrated threat as Derren Brown shows.
Wow I never thought of that but it’s kinda terrifying.
It kind of harkens back to WW2 Japan, they released hundreds of balloons loaded with incendiary and H.E. Devices to drift across the ocean to North America, where they hopes to cause forest fires, random damage, and casualties to create a panic.
Many of these devices have yet to be found
Yet lay in the woods of the Pacific Northwest to this day. It was a cheap method of getting back at us, the balloons were made of rice paper. Yet did have the ability to drop sandbags to regulate height.
The Chinese ballon is also a form of attack
To show they to can reach us.... since we are raining on thier plans for the south China sea, and intimidating thier pacific neighbors including, Japan/ Australia/ vietnam/korea/ New Zealand.
Sure, this is all completely true. TikToc can be a threat
Now consider that all the american social media companies have been doing this exact thing for at least 5 years ... pushing ideas that most/many people find deeply troubling
As a former Cyber Security professional, I will never install Tik Tok on any device. It is in my opinion AT BEST "greyware" bordering on spyware
TikTok? Wait till Twitter dies off and ChatGPT takes over……..
I believe the real danger of people spending 1.5 hours a day on TikTok is it turning them into complete idiots.
Is the balloon even a spy balloon? What constitutes a "spy" balloon compared to the thousands of weather balloons released worldwide on a daily basis? The average weather balloon is packed with sensors to detect atmospheric conditions already. Was this visually identified as a spy balloon, or did China admit it was a spy balloon? If it was visually identified as a spy balloon then I would like to know how to spot the difference between a spy balloon and a weather balloon. Besides size, since this balloon seems abnormally large, it looks like any other balloon. I saw a Mike Glover video where he made a big humbug about it not being shot down immediately but I just keep thinking there's a good chance it's just some dudes backyard science project.
This balloon aside from being excessively large for a weather balloon has solar panels and a variety of electronics that weather balloons don't normally carry. Many weather experts have chimed in and said as much. No one believes this is someone's backyard science project🤦♂️ Its a good thing the country doesn't rely on you for your opinions of national security lol.
Yes, it is quite large. And yes, is covered in solar panels. My 15 year old pocket calculator is also both of those things but that doesn't mean it's a Chinese spy calculator. I'm certainly not saying it's 100% "just a weather balloon" but just because it doesn't look traditional doesn't mean it isn't. I just want hard evidence that it is a "spy" balloon like every major news outlet is claiming before actually make the claim myself. So far all I've gathered is that for a balloon to be considered a "spy" balloon it just needs to be large and have solar panels. Neither of those things seem like they would aid in "spying," so I'm still a little confused. And you're certainly right about that last bit. But if they did we probably wouldn't be living through "99 Luftballons" right now...
Albeit your NENA reference is good and funny are you convinced yet with a second Ballon now. If we were all just naive and believed each other all the time we wouldn't have wars, militaries, or even dictators for that matter. What matters is the violation of air space and sovereignty. I agree with both shootdowns and collection of data from this. The need for you to have proof is irrelevant to the governments needs. They don't like it don't fly thier "weather balloons" in American air space. Look up near space surveillance as well. This is way more complicated than your brain may be able to handle but keep on listening to 99 Luftballoons as your guiding rod lol. 👍
What second balloon? Are you referring to the reports of multiple balloons of similar design? The origin of the first balloon has yet to be confirmed, we still have no evidence the thing belongs to the Chinese government in the first place, and my original question has yet to be answered, leaving me to believe that not only you, but in fact nobody on the planet, is qualified enough when it comes to balloons to be able to visually identify a "spy" balloon by it's features alone. You continue to be a part of the panicking majority as if it's justification for your overreaction to have other people overreact with you, news flash: it's just a balloon. It doesn't matter what kind of unrealistic sci-fi technology you think is packed in to that balloon the fact of the matter is it can't see through ceilings. It doesn't have any X-ray vision, so how much classified Intel would the thing even be able to collect looking at raingutters from 60,000 feet. Which, by the way, is well above the 16,000 ft class A airspace ceiling. What "airspace" was the balloon in again? Can you even tell me that?
And yet another ufo shot down over great lakes. Good job buddy keep your head in the sand. Informed is very different than panicked. You seem to be projecting
I'm proud to see over the course of a few days you've successfully come to terms with the truth of the matter: at least one UFO has been shot down by the U.S. government. Not a spy balloon, a UFO. It's rare you get to see people grow on an emotional level like that on the internet. Since you are unable to answer my original question, however, I think we'll all just have to agree that wasting millions of dollars of tax payers hard earned money to instigate China and ruin science is just the dumbest thing we could have done. Like our country wasn't in deep enough financial debt with China in the first place, right? Now let's break their fancy balloon because some yokels think it has X-ray vision cameras that will see all the classified stuff we have sitting on our front lawns and in our rain gutters. Did you vote to blow up the Google spy car as it came through your town too? Or is that Intel just not as valuable? You can't identify a spy balloon, you can't determine what airspace the supposed spy balloon was in, and you can't tell me what potential Intel the supposed spy balloon could have even gathered...it doesn't sound like you have anything useful to add to the discussion at all, unfortunately. Almost like you're just here...projecting? Huh.
I would think before shooting it down DOD would confirm that the balloon is performing SIGINT, COMINT, whatever other int, surely what type of RF an object is receiving can be observed by a third party and an assessment made regarding data, etc. Is my best guess, obviously I am not privy to that information
Ryan your spot on as always this old sailor enjoys your content also are u familiar with the Japanese effort with balloons during world war 2?
Years ago I said Tik Tok was owned by a puppet company of the CCP and not to he trusted....I got laughed at. I will never use it and I still try to convince friends not to use it.
Ryan, ...
There's some bad spam impersonating you in this thread. Don't know if you can nuke it ... but you should if you can.
This is why I actually got off of tiktok I realized after years I had been introduced to so many varying and seemingly random ideas but tiktok was originally a Chinese news app the state ran and the algorithm was so good they put it in tiktok.
Check out the documentary, Social Dilemma... Ryan talks about dilemmas... No good solution.
This is essentially what Cambridge Analytica in the US and the UK were doing 8 years ago.
How have we not learned these lessons?
> WHY HASN’T THE US SHOT IT DOWN?
But it has?
1st analysis that makes sense.
If you don't make much money on the videos why not just post links to the demonetized versions here? I'd still enjoy watching them and you can sell your merch.
Hi Ryan,
When you talk about 'nudging', I am certain most people don't realise just how serious that can be. Malcolm Gladwell wrote in one of his books about multiple small factors pushing people in a particular direction and that is apparently also what the Vietcong did to some prisoners they caught during the Vietnam war, drip-drip. Malcolm Gladwell said something like (my books are in storage so I can't double check for accuracy), "Of course, we're not talking about triggering someone to go and rob a bank". Well, I don't know if you've heard of the UK hypnotist / mentalist Derren Brown or not, but that's exactly what he did: He took a crowd of people who had been checked for honesty, and gradually whittled them down to four people, all the while gradually installing a whole load of triggers and associations in them and giving them tests. One of these was a replication of the Stanley Milgram electric shock experiment where people were tested for conformity with authority, and guess what - he got exactly the same results. Finally, he got his chosen four to each, one at a time, go through a part of the city of London near Bank and that had been closed off, unaware of what he was intending to do, he then got a whole load of triggers fired off and it triggered three of the four people to rob a security van with a plastic gun that 'happened' to be on them. The episode is called 'Heist'. Really sobering stuff. The full episode is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDtMMsFoHuY&t=676s and the Stanley Milgram experiment starts at 20:30. So, yes, nudging is indeed critical and an underrated threat as Derren Brown shows.