Facebook has been allowing propaganda about civilian deaths on their platform. Apparently it is either their politics or they fall for it on "compassionate grounds". lol
If Israel will continue to tell the world community to "pound sand" Hamas might win the PR war, but they will do it posthumously. Where are the "down with the 1%" people??? The three top people are all billionaires that have no skin in the game, because they are sitting far from the fighting.... kind of like our politicians. Great analysis as usual.
Hi Ryan, in the RPG tank attack where the Hamas guy first places a charge on the tank, at the end of that video, is that the Hamas guy walking around after the battle, and picking up debris. If so, they don't show any tank or destroyed equipment. To me, that would suggest the tank moved on, and was not badly damaged, or it was easily recovered and taken back. Both would indicate the attack did not really destroy the tank, and was unsuccessful..
Thank you for the video and for the thoughtful analysis. I think you are absolutely right: the bigger war is being fought in the information space, just as it is in Ukraine. The problem is that the Israelis---unlike the Ukrainians---do not realize this fact. Israel can reduce Gaza to rubble and actually strengthen their enemy, creating worldwide sympathy and recruitment for Hamas outside of Gaza and outside of Israel (especially in the Middle East, but not only). I feel that the only way to counteract this is to offer the Palestinians a future much better than what they have had for the past 18 years. This is no small task because Israel will have to make a Grozny / Mariupol of Gaza to find and destroy Hamas and the tunnel system. Each battle Israel wins on the ground is a battle lost in the information war unless Israel shows the world that they have a better way for Gaza than just destroying people's homes and making them stateless refugees.
Interesting to note how the “militant” in the videos are mostly wearing Civilian clothes. I wonder what the motivations for that are. Would love a video on that
Excellent video as always; reminded me of the propaganda videos put out by Iraqi insurgents about "Jubaa Snipers," if I'm correctly recalling. No ready answers for where was the supporting infantry & why was the tank completely buttoned up. I recall a previous IDF SOP that TCs had to be in an open hatch. Perhaps that changed. Hopefully, the crew only sustained minor injuries and the vehicle was recoverable (I was an Ordnance guy aftercall.)
Ironic that Hamas' opening act was the wholesale massacre of innocents, their second act was blaming IDF when their own short round impacted in a hospital parking lot, and now they are winning the propaganda war.
For events such as this I tend to apply the concept of “not dead until I see a body”, with the prevalence of drones in the area why wouldn’t they show the wreckage of a k-kill for additional propaganda; a sort of “look at what we did to that tank” instead of leaving ambiguity. The only reason I could think of to leave it ambiguous is that the debate might spread the propaganda further, but I don’t think they are playing that level of chess yet.
I would like to see a video going over the Israeli bulldozer tactics. The bulldozers seem to be an integral part of the battle plan in a unique way that I have never seen before. If you are operating in disadvantageous terrain, just modify the terrain with a bulldozer!
I do think, Hamas is not the leadership that is going to bring a homeland to the Palestinians. They were just the most bold and "Hey if we do this and get away with it, we'll be seen by the world as the leaders for a Palestinian homeland!" Which means money and donations and even respect. Other groups of Palestinians have been working peacefully, diligently and through diplomacy to get the best deal for Palestinians. Palestinians live around the world, even the Queen of Jordan has a Palestinian background. They are educated, hard working, supportive of Palestinians having their own territory and horrified by the way Hamas started this conflict. As one neighbor said to me, "This wasn't just dumping tea in the harbor." (His family want to go back to live in a homeland, but for now his kids attend college here). Is this Palestinian propaganda? or Hamas? It's fine to like the intentions of the Palestinians, and dislike how some have chosen to grab world attention.
If the audiences for videos soliciting sympathy for the Palestinian people and videos displaying hype jihadi propaganda were represented in a venn diagram, the diagram would be two circles side by side.
Ryan, one video posted recently was a critique of IDF soldiers seemingly detaining a civilian, and some people arguing it was proof of IDF's use of human shields. I think you dismissed the proposition using respectable logic, but I was wondering if you have heard of "Breaking the Silence" a left-leaning news outlet founded by IDF soldiers who have claimed that the IDF teaches the "neighbor procedure," "ambassador procedure" or "procedure of many names" (banned by Israeli court in 2005, some reports of use to this day hence the name changing); a tactic that essentially uses civilians as shields in a similar manner as the video you posted and how that might factor in to your assessment?
Analyzing HAMAS Militant Attacks on Tanks
Facebook has been allowing propaganda about civilian deaths on their platform. Apparently it is either their politics or they fall for it on "compassionate grounds". lol
If Israel will continue to tell the world community to "pound sand" Hamas might win the PR war, but they will do it posthumously. Where are the "down with the 1%" people??? The three top people are all billionaires that have no skin in the game, because they are sitting far from the fighting.... kind of like our politicians. Great analysis as usual.
Hi Ryan, in the RPG tank attack where the Hamas guy first places a charge on the tank, at the end of that video, is that the Hamas guy walking around after the battle, and picking up debris. If so, they don't show any tank or destroyed equipment. To me, that would suggest the tank moved on, and was not badly damaged, or it was easily recovered and taken back. Both would indicate the attack did not really destroy the tank, and was unsuccessful..
Thank you for the video and for the thoughtful analysis. I think you are absolutely right: the bigger war is being fought in the information space, just as it is in Ukraine. The problem is that the Israelis---unlike the Ukrainians---do not realize this fact. Israel can reduce Gaza to rubble and actually strengthen their enemy, creating worldwide sympathy and recruitment for Hamas outside of Gaza and outside of Israel (especially in the Middle East, but not only). I feel that the only way to counteract this is to offer the Palestinians a future much better than what they have had for the past 18 years. This is no small task because Israel will have to make a Grozny / Mariupol of Gaza to find and destroy Hamas and the tunnel system. Each battle Israel wins on the ground is a battle lost in the information war unless Israel shows the world that they have a better way for Gaza than just destroying people's homes and making them stateless refugees.
How does HAMAS release their propaganda? Is it via their telegram or do they have a dedicated team that spreads it through multiple channels?
I saw an article today where some of the still images being shared as explosions in Gaza are actually AI generated pieces.
Interesting to note how the “militant” in the videos are mostly wearing Civilian clothes. I wonder what the motivations for that are. Would love a video on that
Somebody get Ryan a comb.
Well done by the IDF/ Rafael.
Their APS works well in most of the cases.
Salutations:
Excellent video as always; reminded me of the propaganda videos put out by Iraqi insurgents about "Jubaa Snipers," if I'm correctly recalling. No ready answers for where was the supporting infantry & why was the tank completely buttoned up. I recall a previous IDF SOP that TCs had to be in an open hatch. Perhaps that changed. Hopefully, the crew only sustained minor injuries and the vehicle was recoverable (I was an Ordnance guy aftercall.)
Ironic that Hamas' opening act was the wholesale massacre of innocents, their second act was blaming IDF when their own short round impacted in a hospital parking lot, and now they are winning the propaganda war.
For events such as this I tend to apply the concept of “not dead until I see a body”, with the prevalence of drones in the area why wouldn’t they show the wreckage of a k-kill for additional propaganda; a sort of “look at what we did to that tank” instead of leaving ambiguity. The only reason I could think of to leave it ambiguous is that the debate might spread the propaganda further, but I don’t think they are playing that level of chess yet.
I would like to see a video going over the Israeli bulldozer tactics. The bulldozers seem to be an integral part of the battle plan in a unique way that I have never seen before. If you are operating in disadvantageous terrain, just modify the terrain with a bulldozer!
Too bad we can't just ask the Israelis what happened and expect to get an honest answer.
I do think, Hamas is not the leadership that is going to bring a homeland to the Palestinians. They were just the most bold and "Hey if we do this and get away with it, we'll be seen by the world as the leaders for a Palestinian homeland!" Which means money and donations and even respect. Other groups of Palestinians have been working peacefully, diligently and through diplomacy to get the best deal for Palestinians. Palestinians live around the world, even the Queen of Jordan has a Palestinian background. They are educated, hard working, supportive of Palestinians having their own territory and horrified by the way Hamas started this conflict. As one neighbor said to me, "This wasn't just dumping tea in the harbor." (His family want to go back to live in a homeland, but for now his kids attend college here). Is this Palestinian propaganda? or Hamas? It's fine to like the intentions of the Palestinians, and dislike how some have chosen to grab world attention.
If the audiences for videos soliciting sympathy for the Palestinian people and videos displaying hype jihadi propaganda were represented in a venn diagram, the diagram would be two circles side by side.
Ryan, one video posted recently was a critique of IDF soldiers seemingly detaining a civilian, and some people arguing it was proof of IDF's use of human shields. I think you dismissed the proposition using respectable logic, but I was wondering if you have heard of "Breaking the Silence" a left-leaning news outlet founded by IDF soldiers who have claimed that the IDF teaches the "neighbor procedure," "ambassador procedure" or "procedure of many names" (banned by Israeli court in 2005, some reports of use to this day hence the name changing); a tactic that essentially uses civilians as shields in a similar manner as the video you posted and how that might factor in to your assessment?