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Matt Gaetz said something sensible (bear with me here) which was to the effect: "either we have flagrant liars and crazy people at our highest levels of disclosures, or there's really something here. Either outcome would be of national interest"

Here's another analogy I find useful: the Star Trek test. Ever noticed in Star Trek that battles often take place as if you're watching Horatio Hornblower during the Napoleonic wars? Coming along side one another and firing broadsides, dodging and weaving, "we have them on visual!"

Visual? Did you say visual? You have FTL travel and matter transportation. Why not just teleport a missile into their ship? Or into the core of their planet? Why are you *drilling* a hole into their planet instead of just warping the payload in?

Sure, it's sci-fi, and as such the authors can simply bend their world building to fix this. "Well, you see, the quantum entanglement of the spacetime alternator is so great at the center of a starship that it's *impossible* to …"

Not so in real life. You have to ask these questions (as Ryan has). If these guys can afford to travel across space and time, that presupposes a level of technology that isn't going to manifest in the ways you or I are expecting. And this is *after* you compute all the probabilities above. Ok, so they have shown up here … why would they show up *like this*?

For example, if they wanted to observe us, you can be sure that a civilization with advanced physics is going to have space based observation capabilities that make the NRO look like a child peering through a "telescope" made out of a toilet roll. They can see everything they want to see, across all spectrums, without needing to take any risks.

If they want resources, if they are a space faring Rio Tinto, what the heck do we have that you can't get from the uninhabited rocks in great supply elsewhere? These guys can bend physics but we imagine they "need" us in a very anthropocentric way.

You see where I'm going (and I think Ryan is going too) – if you map out the entire tree, like he has, and then you overlay a physics-defying technological advantage on top, literally every branch of questions terminates at the same dead end. As does every report and every observation.

The point is that whatever their goals, they can't have this unimaginable technological advantage while making mistakes and decisions you no longer face with such an advantage. Like a Napoleonic battle in Star Trek or a F-35 pilot deciding to pop open his canopy and drop bricks on enemy planes. We can't have it both ways, we can't say they're advanced while presenting evidence that they're kinda stupid.

Does this mean there's zero credibility in the witnesses, or that there's *not* something of national security interest out there? No, just that the probability is very low, and gets lower and lower the more brutally honest you are with yourself.

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I will be rereading this several times to try to commit into my pea sized noggin. One of the wonderful aspect of being alive is knowing that there are others who are very insightful, knowledgeable, and plain smarter than I am. It doesn't bother me, and I love reading what you put together. I do believe this is the perfect bipartisan issue for Congress to demand answers for while ignoring the much harder to solve problems this nation faces. Between this and multiple hearings about gas stoves the 118th Congress has been a disappointment. Thank you for distilling this into one article. Again, well worth the subscription fee.

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